HOW STRONG IS GIN AND TOUSEN?

ye ...those two are pretty strong but im thinking where does the vizards stand in this whole power level thing.... thsy must definately be as strong or stronger than the espadas...cause i remember reading or hearing somethin like shinji fingting one of the top espadas...but it would be good is some of the vizards were at the same lvl as those two but doubt it:) could happen though:)

gin!

Well the Vazards and Espada are very similar in that they both can utilize Shinigami and Hollow powers. They're both able to go past the limits of their default peaks. Even the Vizards that are lieutenants are fairly strong with their mask on especially with hundreds of years of training under their belts. Shinji to me seems like he's very powerful. And I'm not basing that off of his fight with Grimmjow either. He was already a very powerful person (Strong Captain) before he gained hollow powers. He's able to hold his own fairly well when Kensei turns into a hollow. It's difficult to speak on espada 1-4 because there's always the possibility of any of them being Vasto Lordes. So Vasto Lordes + shinigami powers + juiced up from Aizen.

Pretty much Half the espada aren't anything special much like half the Vazards are nothing special.

Back on subject, the Tousen incident with Grimmjow once again shows the lack of consistency when it comes to power levels in Bleach

i don't know how strong gin is but i know that tousen is not strong cuz kenpachi beat him

Gin I think would be stronger. He'd cheat by using Kido

i think tousen and gin just below aizen..
aizen is the strongest enemy now..no one strongest than him..
tousen n gin will fight the vizard..especilly shinji..but shinji really want to fight aizen..but their level is not same..genryusai yamamoto will kill aizen..

Just because one is stronger than the other don't mean he'll win. Anything can happen. You never know. And I don't care about Tousen because I beat him up, cut his eyes out, and threw him in a river

Tousen is SOOOOOO WEAK!!!

Maybe during the zaraki fight tousen was not fighting with his full power so as to not show both konamura and zaraki that he is strong and during the real world fight, tousen did laugh off the thought that konamura expected a bankai from tousen and yet in the fight his bankai wasnt even used this might prove that his bankai is a secondary skill and not his primary power?

As for Gin, we have so far not seen someone take a full blow from shinsou until hiyori got hit, which proves that even a single can prove fatal let alone his bankai.. also if tousen has a hollow form, it is a good chance that gin has one to..